Mayor and Cabinet - Wednesday, 5th February 2020 at 6:30pm - Lewisham Council Webcasting

Mayor and Cabinet
Wednesday, 5th February 2020 at 6:30pm 

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  1. Mayor Damien Egan
1 Declaration of Interests
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2 Minutes
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3 Matters Raised by Scrutiny and other Constitutional Bodies
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4 Outstanding Scrutiny Matters
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5 Referral from Children & Young People Select Committee ICT
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6 Referral from Healthier Communities Select Committee L&G Trust migrant charging
7 Comments of the Sustainable Development Select Committee on the development of the climate emergency action plan
8 2020 21 Budget
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  1. Mayor Damien Egan
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7 Comments of the Sustainable Development Select Committee on the development of the climate emergency action plan
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8 2020 21 Budget
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  1. Cllr Amanda De Ryk
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  5. Cllr Chris Best
  6. Cllr Chris Barnham
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9 Surrey Canal Triangle Draft Design Framework Supplementary Planning Document
10 Acquisition of Land at Pool Court, Fordmill Road, SE6 3JL part 1
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11 Exclusion of Press and Public
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Mayor Damien Egan - 0:00:00
to everybody for joining us so somebody start start from the beginning and we do this all the All Our Man Cabinet meetings to point out
to all presence that only Cabinet members or job-share cabinet members holding january 2 June remits are entitled to vote in that job share Cabinet Members holding July to December remits may be present and can contribute to debates but will not vote and those non-voting members have read nameplates I also need to advise everybody that this meeting is being webcast live and so the Council cannot guarantee that anyone present at this meeting will not be filmed or recorded additionally additionally any members of the public are also welcome to record any part of this open meeting but just a little reminder is that cameras should be focused on Councillors and
those people who are speaking and presenting not at night members

1 Declaration of Interests

and members of the public who have come to watch the meeting key item 1 is declaration of interest can ask if any Cabinet Member or jobshare Cabinet Member has any declaration of interest to make

2 Minutes

that's none is noted Item 2 is the minutes I move that the minutes of Mayor and Cabinet meeting took place on the 15th January be agreed as a correct record is that seconded and agreed

3 Matters Raised by Scrutiny and other Constitutional Bodies

rent thank you okay item 3 this is matters raised by Scrutiny and other constitutional bodies now we've had a we've received a call-in from the overview and scrutiny business Panel on the decision reached on the 15th of January at our last meeting to dispose of the former wide horizon sites there's two sites one in Wales and one in Kent and so to be clear we're not going to take that decision tonight and having read the Committee's comments I agree that further work is needed before we make a decision on this item and I have therefore asked me officers to provide more information in line with the request from the Committee and that we can discuss at a future meeting and I would like to put on record my thanks to the Committee for a positive and constructive comments and their insights in relation to this item
is that a great
okay thank you Item 4 outstanding scrutiny matters this is for the information of Cabinet can we agree to note this

4 Outstanding Scrutiny Matters

5 Referral from Children & Young People Select Committee ICT

and then Item 5 which is referral from children and Young People's Select Committee on ICT
can we really item 5 as noted and we ask officers to prepare a response for our future consideration

6 Referral from Healthier Communities Select Committee L&G Trust migrant charging

thank you Item 6 we've got two more of these arm is a referral from healthier Communities Select Committee on Lewisham and Greenwich NHS trust migrant charges so again we agreed at this note and I propose officers prepare response for future consideration is that agreed
thank you

7 Comments of the Sustainable Development Select Committee on the development of the climate emergency action plan

Item 7 is the comments from the Sustainable Development Select Committee on the development of a climate emergency action plan agree if we again if we can agree to note this and proposed that officers prepare a response for our future consideration is that agreed
thank you

8 2020 21 Budget

okay item number 8 is the budget
yes
sorry
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:03:36
I hadn't noticed but do come in come and speak Councillor Carter

7 Comments of the Sustainable Development Select Committee on the development of the climate emergency action plan

Public Speaker - 0:03:58
sorry how delight I was at the wide horizon former White Horizon centres was taken as referral from the business Panel for this very helpful I'm this there is so much to say obviously on I'm
climate change but I restrict myself to a couple of key points and one that the Committee raised and one was
concerning or the trees and
what we were concerned about is that although most people accept the importance of trees in principle when it's nice to have we actually need a sort of a much more scientific basis on which an I'm an analysis as well evidence base to justify a protecting trees and expanding the tree cover because of the actual impact they do have on key at targets on flooding and the role they play not only in are swapping a CO2 for O2 but also a in I'm cooling in the summer and a were protecting and keeping warm in the winter and this is something that I wrote to the government's chief adviser on trees and he wrote to me a back on this it was in a response to a some queries about her trees raised by another councillor that was challenging the need to keep the Muni younger trees
a replace a that take up CO2 more than older trees and it's not actually true so I wrote to him and he sent me back a whole load of stuff and I think if we're going to justify expanding tree cover and we need to do more and more we need to have just good solid scientific basis on which to do it and I think what the Committee was saying and what the Committee was definitely saying was we need to raise his right up the agenda in order to emphasise its importance rather than a nice must have
and I think that was one of the a key the other the other key thing was
according to the reports I'm
one the biggest the biggest slice of the pie chart that says how much emissions are coming out from people in the borough is actually domestic and that would require a massive I'm involvement of members of the public and I think that's what we'd like to see come out this its public engagement on a huge scale so as nothing but this things that are missing from the reports but you know it's it's the first step and so we all accept that it's the first step onto a much bigger programme but if you don't get the public engage we won't reach those targets because it's those public that are actually causing the biggest slice of the pie I now includes all of us so that Sicha
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:07:02
thank you very much regrets Karenin and please pass on our thanks to the Committee I think one of the one thing that was very evident from it is also those could have asked for government front for government as well and having no practical example so one being within the report that the domestic use the use of gas and how we need national action to make sure that we're taking on those as well as the local actions that were taking as well so really thank you fought for raising those points thank you

8 2020 21 Budget

K Item 8 were going to move on to the the Budget and recognising that this is yet another year where we will be presenting a budget to this Council that we wish we weren't presenting for the fact that we wish that we would have a budget of investment into the borough when in fact again we have after a decade of austerity further cuts imposed by central government services or across the country critically underfunded and Lewisham is no exception while this this year the budget does not propose going into our reserves the settlement does not come close to reversing a decade of cuts to face the harsh reality of cutting services by over 16 million pounds alongside the challenge of delivering on the bold ambitions that we set out in the manifesto that we were elected on this it does have in this budget is a looking forward budget careful budget management
led by Councillor de Reich and David Austin means that even in the most difficult circumstances we are able to identify areas of investment these include action on the climate emergency which will require redirected resources for us to address the challenge and show real leadership are worked to become a sanctuary borough were proud that we're becoming London's lead borough in refugee resettlement and amongst other things insourcing to so better terms and conditions for staff who are working in our parks and our facilities management and in our cleaning services across the Council later this year we continue our focus on value for money with a recognition that the cheapest contract does not always deliver the best value are social value work is very important and
through an increased focus on social value in our procurement we have amongst many things achieve 13 more apprenticeships and having met somebody apprentices this week is National Prentice's apprenticeship week you see just how life-changing the offer of those apprentices can beans I'd like to place on record my thanks to two Catherine nid and her team who working within procurement and we were also borrowing to ensure that we can deliver on our housing plans are huge building for Lewisham programme that will invest to ensure that we can build hundreds of new council homes in terms of balancing the budget we remain conscious that there are future risk to local government funding
we have agreed 16 putting children 16 point 6 million pounds of cuts but we still believe need to identify a further 40 million pounds of cuts over the next three years so any new stories that we see of increased government spending we must remember is not just unlikely to come to local government also unlikely to come to London to so thank you again to Councillor amended the Reich for leading the Budget process on the political side and David Austin and his team for leading from the Officer side their diligence and hard work means to our Budget position is strong and enables us to still make a difference to our residents' lives even in these tough times Councillor Derek
thank you
Cllr Amanda De Ryk - 0:10:57
the Members will know that the Budget report was prepared following a very late announcement of the provisional settlement from central government and on the basis of a one year rollover settlement were still due a number of announcements and the comprehensive spending review the Fair funding Review and the business rates reset which have all been delayed until 20 21 as you know the budget is a core piece of work and covers several elements which required decisions tonight's main decision is to set the Council Tax rise and levels for next year with a number of follow on recommendations which are summarised in Section 2 of the report
we are proposing a three-point 9 9 percent overall increase this year which is made up of a one point 9 9 increasing council tax with a 2 percent increase for the extended social care precept to support adult social care spend both are the maximum allowable increases without triggering a local referendum and we are recommending the maximum increase because as the Mayor makes clear Services are very stretched after 10 years of austerity funding
the new Conservative government is continuing with its previous incarnations idea logic ideological determination to shift away from central funding to local income raising and if we don't take the maximum in that it eschew assumes we should were likely to be penalised in future settlement calculations
the GLA is also taking the MAC maximum increase allowable to pay for increased policing said the figures in the report will need to be updated before the final budget meeting of Full Council
so just moving quickly through the areas of the report and Cabinet will note the increase in scale of the proposed capital programme next year with funding coming from the General Fund and also the
the HR array as Damien says this is primarily primarily to support the building pollution programme but also takes into account investment into existing housing stock the increase in spending does present increased risk to the Council and we need to be to be cognisant of that both in terms of greater borrowing and in terms of the size of the task to meet the Council's housing need at the Borough borrowing requirement of 320 million is considered in the Treasury Strategy
following consultation with tenants the Budget proposes that we increase Council rents by two points 7 percent this is in line with government expectations after a four year period of rent-frees there are also a number of service charge increases that are set out
in the recommendations but these revenue streams in the main income sources to fund the HRA array annual revenue spend of 89 million pounds next year
as schools grant funding is increasing by one point eight per cent per pupil but this presents a real term decrease in funding once salary and other inflationary increases are taken into account falling primary school are role and the rising need for SEN support mean that schools are under a lot of financial pressure
there are a number of grants that will continue next year notably the better Care and improved better Care Fund there is also social Care Grant the public health grant and the New homes bonus which has been extended for one further year however as the Mayor has said this is still a cuts budget and includes a 16 point 6 million pounds worth of cuts that were identified and agreed earlier in the year
we hope that by continuing to cut at this scale we will be able to set this Budget without having to find further in-year cuts or the use of reserves the budget includes 19 million pounds to put towards precious growth and investment in services this includes a four-point 5 million transport transformation fund to be used as directed by our new Chief Executive towards updating and reconfiguring the organisation
the transformation work remains vital
as there is no indication from government that this rollover year is anything but a one off in fact we have been told the government departments are expected to make a further 5 percent cuts in the next budget round which with inflation would see us needing to make as Damien says 40 million pounds worth of cuts in the next three years
please note the report on Fees and charges appended to the main main report this follows the determined focus of the public accounts Committee and the work of officers to update the Council's fees and charges into line with true service cost this is a good example of the way that officers and members have worked together to meet the challenges of austerity and I would like to thank both for their diligence and time
thanks also to David and his team are this report represents many many hours of work are finally from me at least please note that the government settlement is still provisional and we are awaiting the final confirmation from the Ministry of Housing Communities and Local government shortly if the decision is delayed beyond the parliamentary recess than we may need to have a fallback Council meeting I move recommendations
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:16:34
thank you very much Councillor Ryk I'm David anything that you'd like to add
Public Speaker - 0:16:43
Just to outline how the process will work from the savings you said agreeing this evening
but these are agreeing to take on
you also noted that the GLA of adjusted their proposals so next week will be bringing back to you the final details
and then the following week those will be the proposals that go to Council
next week will also have as well as the GLA change the outcome of the business Rate consultation which finished last night
and are not expecting any particular changes pursues noted we have to wait for that final Settlement point so that's the only caveat remaining
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:17:22
i'm Any other comments Councillor Bass
Cllr Chris Best - 0:17:25
yes thank you I would just like
to share my disappointment really that were once again having to put two per cent on local P Paul ERM to meet the growing demand and that we're particularly facing with older people living longer pressure on discharge from hospitals is just pushing it on to local people the extra 2 percent it will be the fourth year and what we really need is this Conservative government to send us their green paper so we have a long term plan it's a fragile care market and we're going hand to mouth and I think we really you know have to make the point that it's some
we will put the 2 per cent home because we need to fund our services but it's just not fair in the long term and I think like many other councils where campaigning to see the green paper so we know what the direction of travel is
and you know the better Care fund helps but it's not a holistic long-term solution thank you
thanks were
Cllr Chris Barnham - 0:18:26
we shouldn't turn this into a whingeing session but I do think we ought to underline a couple of points so that we don't have much control over what is School funding as Councillor Derek has said despite the government having said that
there is an increase in funding for schools that will see all schools have an increase that is just not true for most schools in London it's certainly not true for our schools and there is a cash increase but when you take into account inflation and increased costs on schools for example from paying crease we estimate our schools will get an average three per cent cut in real terms and they will find that tight
I think it's also worth noting the amount of effort this Council has had to put into finding resources to meet demand on children's social care over the last couple of years the government has recognised to some extent the crisis in adult social care but only with sticking plasters and there is some way to go before they recognise the pressures which most councils are facing on their children's social care services dealing with the most vulnerable children will continue to do our best but it is it is increasingly difficult
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:19:37
thank you very much and as we know all of those comments so next stage will be to two subjects agreement to take these on
so can I ask all those in favour of the recommendations please residents that's agreed thank you very much thank you David okay item
9 is

9 Surrey Canal Triangle Draft Design Framework Supplementary Planning Document

the Surrey Canal triangle I'm Design Framework SPD so I'm moving this report which recommends formally adopting the supplementary planning document for the Surrey Canal Triangle this follows 18 months of what had been positive discussions between the property developer renewal and Millwall Football Club and a public consultation this is significant progress as the Supplementary Planning document sets out the vision of the future of this site
and we've all been clear that any development in the area must have community support deliver new social homes new jobs and keep Millwall in Lewisham the adoption of the Supplementary Planning document also triggers the dropping off the conditional land sale agreements and replaces it with new agreements they exclude the football club and land needed for Millwall developed for renewals developments and I would also like to welcome renewals public consultation on their master plan which is currently live and other work that is taking place would encourage people to to leave comments and to Members to ask people in the community to leave their comments and through the through their consultation
with anything you'd like to add
Public Speaker - 0:21:15
thank you may register a short comment on the extent of the consultation that we undertook there was an excellent response to the consultation penned x 5 sets out all the comments that we received and how we've addressed them in the final adopted document linking the
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:21:32
thank you any questions or comments
ask all those in favour of the recommendations please raise your hands that's agreed thank you move

10 Acquisition of Land at Pool Court, Fordmill Road, SE6 3JL part 1

Item 10 is the acquisition of Land at pool caught Council about
Cllr Chris Best - 0:21:59
right this was working
so at Mayor and Cabinet on the 15th of March 2 thousand 18 we resolve that land of poor caught Ford Mill Road Catford be reapproved as the preferred location for a residential gypsy traveller site within the borough
now being asked to agree to move the purchase of land necessary to deliver on our commitment to the Gypsy and Traveller community this report details the outcome today that officers have had discussions with Network Rail who owned the land that we need to buy and recommends that the Mayor and Cabinet approves officers estimated sale price for the land it also seeks for officers to procure an architect to help develop the proposals
for the Travellers Site at poor court it's recommended marrying Cabinet approve the the actions stated in the recommendations and we have poor more here who is have or we have to answer any questions
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:22:54
poor anything you'd like to add at this stage
Public Speaker - 0:22:56
I think Members on just acutely aware of the time it's taken for this won't come to this point loss good work done by Members and officers previously and I'm assured by Mr. Sheehan that he and I are keen to get into back to to bring his one hopefully to a successful conclusion
Mayor Damien Egan - 0:23:14
and thank heavens much appreciated any questions or comments
so now subject to agreement in in the part 2 of this report Maskall those in favour of the recommendations please raise our hands

11 Exclusion of Press and Public

and that's agreed thank you very much OK Item 11 this is the exclusion of Press and public last any members of the press and public you have attended say thank you very much for attending the remaining items on concern decisions are commercially sensitive and not able to discuss them in public but thank you very much for coming this evening to move on to Item 12 which is part 2 of the acquisition of lands at poor court cancelled about
Cllr Chris Best - 0:23:54
Anchorman so
this looks at the commercial